{"id":10184,"date":"2013-04-14T19:26:04","date_gmt":"2013-04-14T18:26:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=10184"},"modified":"2013-04-14T19:26:04","modified_gmt":"2013-04-14T18:26:04","slug":"intermediates-in-oxime-formation-from-hydroxylamine-and-propanone-now-you-see-them-now-you-dont","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?p=10184","title":{"rendered":"Intermediates in oxime formation from hydroxylamine and propanone: now you see them, now you don&#8217;t."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"10184\">\n<p>A recent theme here has been to subject to scrutiny well-known mechanisms supposedly involving intermediates. These transients can often involve the creation\/annihilation of charge separation resulting from \u00a0proton transfers, something that a cyclic mechanism can avoid. Here I revisit the formation of an oxime from hydroxylamine and propanone, but with one change. In the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=7779\" target=\"_blank\">earlier post<\/a>, I used two molecules of water to achieve the desired proton transfer. Now I look to see what effect replacing those two water molecules by a <strong>guanidine<\/strong> has.<img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10185\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10185\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/NH2OH+Guanidine.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"NH2OH+Guanidine\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/NH2OH+Guanidine.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/NH2OH+Guanidine.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10185\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/NH2OH+Guanidine.svg\" alt=\"NH2OH+Guanidine\" width=\"300\" \/><\/p>\n<p>As become evident when I looked at ester hydrolysis, water is a very weak acid\/conjugate base, and so the barriers for reactions mediated by pure water tend to be high; catalysis by pure water in other words is slow. The barriers are lowered considerably if the two water molecules are replaced by a species better able to stabilise a (charge separated) intermediate, such as guanidine. So here I re-investigate the oxime mechanism with this base (\u03c9B97XD\/6-311G(d,p)\/SCRF=water).<\/p>\n<table class=\"aligncenter\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10188\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10188\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-O.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"oxime-2H2O-O\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-O.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-O.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10188\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-O.svg\" alt=\"oxime-2H2O-O\" width=\"220\" \/><span id=\"cite_ITEM-10184-0\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-10184-0\">[1]<\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10189\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10189\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-O.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"oxime-guan-O\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-O.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-O.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10189\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-O.svg\" alt=\"oxime-guan-O\" width=\"220\" \/><span id=\"cite_ITEM-10184-1\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-10184-1\">[2]<\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>The IRC profile for the 2H<sub>2<\/sub>O catalysed O-nucleophilic addition (<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">red arrows above<\/span>) reveals a concerted and largely synchronous addition combined with proton transfers along the water chain. Look at the difference when guanidine is involved. The barrier drops from ~24 kcal\/mol (a very slow reaction at room temperature) to ~<a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10042\/24505\" target=\"_blank\">11 kcal\/mol<\/a> (a very rapid reaction). A similar drop was noted for the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=10015\" target=\"_blank\">hydrolysis of methyl ethanoate<\/a>. But there is a more significant difference. With guanidine, &#8220;hidden intermediates&#8221; are revealed. The transition state of course is marked by IRC=0.0, but soon after at IRC -2.0 the gradient drops, almost but not quite to zero. This is the characteristic signature a &#8220;hidden intermediate&#8221;, an effect induced by the guanidine. However, at IRC -3.0 the second proton transfers from the conjugate acid of guanidine (a &#8220;hidden&#8221; guanidinium cation) to the erstwhile oxygen of the carbonyl group (a &#8220;hidden&#8221; oxyanion), resulting in the creation of the tetrahedral intermediate in this reaction.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10192\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10192\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-OG.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"oxime-guan-OG\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-OG.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-OG.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10192\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-OG.svg\" alt=\"oxime-guan-OG\" width=\"300\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The IRC profile for the preferred N-nucleophilic addition (<span style=\"color: #3366ff;\">blue arrows<\/span>) is shown below. Again, the 2H<sub>2<\/sub>O reaction shows no trace of a hidden intermediate but the guanidine route clearly does. The (apparent) barrier decreases from ~8 kcal\/mol with water to ~<a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10042\/24504\" target=\"_blank\">2 kcal\/mol<\/a> with guanidine, and overall is 2.7 kcal\/mol lower than for O-nucleophilic attack.<\/p>\n<table class=\"aligncenter\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10196\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10196\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-N.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"oxime-2H2O-N\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-N.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-N.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10196\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-2H2O-N.svg\" alt=\"oxime-2H2O-N\" width=\"220\" \/><span id=\"cite_ITEM-10184-2\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-10184-2\">[3]<\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10198\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10198\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-N.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"oxime-guan-N\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-N.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-N.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10198\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-N.svg\" alt=\"oxime-guan-N\" width=\"220\" \/><span id=\"cite_ITEM-10184-3\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-10184-3\">[4]<\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10199\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10199\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-NG.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"oxime-guan-NG\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-NG.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-NG.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10199\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/oxime-guan-NG.svg\" alt=\"oxime-guan-NG\" width=\"320\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>There is a final feature. Propanone and hydroxylamine in the presence of guanidine form a &#8220;pre-complex&#8221; (an <em>un-hidden intermediate<\/em>), with an intriguing distance of 1.619\u00c5 between the carbon of the carbonyl and the nitrogen of the hydroxylamine. This initial tetrahedral species is locked in by a network of unusually short hydrogen bonds and has a <a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10042\/24514\" target=\"_blank\">barrier to its formation<\/a> from the uncomplexed two reactants\u00a0of ~3 kcal\/mol (and a barrier onwards to the formation of a second tetrahedral intermediate of ~2 kcal\/mol as we saw before).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"10201\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10201\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/N-pre.jpg?fit=376%2C392&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"376,392\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"N-pre\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/N-pre.jpg?fit=287%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/N-pre.jpg?fit=376%2C392&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-10201\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/N-pre.jpg?resize=263%2C274\" alt=\"N-pre\" width=\"263\" height=\"274\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/N-pre.jpg?w=376&amp;ssl=1 376w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/N-pre.jpg?resize=287%2C300&amp;ssl=1 287w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 263px) 100vw, 263px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"407\" height=\"330\" data-attachment-id=\"10217\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=10217\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/preN.gif?fit=407%2C330&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"407,330\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"preN\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/preN.gif?fit=300%2C243&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/preN.gif?fit=407%2C330&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-10217\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/preN.gif?resize=407%2C330\" alt=\"preN\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So here ist a more complete picture of how an oxime forms from propanone and hydroxylamine under the influence of a more potent catalyst than water.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>The barriers are significantly reduced by the use of guanidine.<\/li>\n<li>An initial visible intermediate precedes any proton transfers<\/li>\n<li>This is then followed by a &#8220;hidden one&#8221; following the first proton transfer<\/li>\n<li>before settling into a final tetrahedral intermediate resulting from a second proton transfer, with the two proton transfers being part of a concerted asynchronous mechanism.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h2>References<\/h2>\n    <ol class=\"kcite-bibliography csl-bib-body\"><li id=\"ITEM-10184-0\">H.S. Rzepa, \"Gaussian Job Archive for C3H13NO4\", 2013. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.681655\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.681655<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-10184-1\">H.S. Rzepa, \"Gaussian Job Archive for C4H14N4O2\", 2013. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.681656\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.681656<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-10184-2\">H.S. Rzepa, \"Gaussian Job Archive for C3H13NO4\", 2012. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.95995\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.95995<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-10184-3\">H.S. Rzepa, \"Gaussian Job Archive for C4H14N4O2\", 2013. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.681682\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.681682<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 10184 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A recent theme here has been to subject to scrutiny well-known mechanisms supposedly involving intermediates. These transients can often involve the creation\/annihilation of charge separation resulting from \u00a0proton transfers, something that a cyclic mechanism can avoid. Here I revisit the formation of an oxime from hydroxylamine and propanone, but with one change. 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