{"id":13618,"date":"2015-03-15T18:53:22","date_gmt":"2015-03-15T18:53:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=13618"},"modified":"2015-03-15T18:53:22","modified_gmt":"2015-03-15T18:53:22","slug":"ionizing-ultra-strong-acids-with-water-molecules","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?p=13618","title":{"rendered":"Ionizing ultra-strong acids with water molecules."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"13618\">\n<p>My <a title=\"How many water molecules does it take to ionise HCN\/HNC? An NCI exploration.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=13506\">previous posts<\/a> have covered the ionization by a small number of discrete water molecules of the series of halogen acids, ranging from HI (the strongest,&nbsp;pKa -10) <em>via<\/em> HF (weaker, pKa 3.1) to the pseudo-halogen HCN (the weakest, pKa 9.2). Here I try out some even stronger acids to see what&nbsp;the least number of water molecule needed to ionize these&nbsp;might be.<\/p>\n<p>Firstly what must surely be the ultimate acid H(CHB<sub>11<\/sub>Cl<sub>11<\/sub>), discovered by Christopher Reed<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13618-0\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13618-0\">[1]<\/a><\/span> in 2006. This is so strong that it appears that it can even largely ionize itself; the form on the right (below) is the cationic acid, the form on the left is its anionic base. The proton itself is bridged<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13618-1\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13618-1\">[2]<\/a><\/span> between the two in a manner similar to the structure of one form of HCl.4H<sub>2<\/sub>O <a title=\"How many water molecules does it take to ionise HCl?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=13394\" target=\"_blank\">reported in the earlier post <\/a>on the topic.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13619\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13619\" data-attachment-id=\"13619\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=13619\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.jpg?fit=720%2C368&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"720,368\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"LEHZOO\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Click  for  3D&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.jpg?fit=300%2C153&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.jpg?fit=450%2C230&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13619\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([500,500],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.cif;spin 3;');\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.jpg?w=400&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Click  for  3D\"  srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.jpg?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO.jpg?resize=300%2C153&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13619\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D<\/p><\/div>\n<p>So it comes as no surprise<sup>&Dagger;<\/sup> to find<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13618-2\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13618-2\">[3]<\/a><\/span> that just one water molecule can also ionize H(CHB<sub>11<\/sub>Cl<sub>11<\/sub>) to the anionic form (CHB<sub>11<\/sub>Cl<sub>11<\/sub>)<sup>&#8211;<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13631\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13631\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13631\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([500,500],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA.log;frame 28;spin 3;');\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/LEHZOO-H2O.jpg?w=400&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Click for  3D\"  \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13631\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D<\/p><\/div>\n<p>How about triflic acid, CF<sub>3<\/sub>SO<sub>2<\/sub>OH, pKa -16), which is also a fair bit more acidic than HI? Here, only three waters are needed (\u03c9B97XD\/6-311++G(2d,2p) prediction) to ionise to triflate anion.<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13618-3\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13618-3\">[4]<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13623\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13623\" data-attachment-id=\"13623\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=13623\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf.3H2O.jpg?fit=520%2C503&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"520,503\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"HTf.3H2O\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Click  for  3D&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf.3H2O.jpg?fit=300%2C290&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf.3H2O.jpg?fit=450%2C435&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13623\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([500,500],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf3H2O.log;frame 12;spin 3;');\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf.3H2O.jpg?w=400&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Click  for  3D\"  srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf.3H2O.jpg?w=520&amp;ssl=1 520w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/HTf.3H2O.jpg?resize=300%2C290&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13623\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D<\/p><\/div>\n<p>So, if there a system which is ionised by precisely two water molecules I will record it here.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><sup>&Dagger;<\/sup>Perhaps also no surprise is that one H<sub>2<\/sub>S molecule can also perform this ionisation.<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13618-4\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13618-4\">[5]<\/a><\/span> This leads us into another exploration, using molecules other than water to perform these ionisations.<\/p>\n<h2>References<\/h2>\n    <ol class=\"kcite-bibliography csl-bib-body\"><li id=\"ITEM-13618-0\">E.S. Stoyanov, S.P. Hoffmann, M. Juhasz, and C.A. Reed, \"The Structure of the Strongest Br\u00f8nsted Acid:\u2009 The Carborane Acid H(CHB&lt;sub&gt;11&lt;\/sub&gt;Cl&lt;sub&gt;11&lt;\/sub&gt;)\", <i>Journal of the American Chemical Society<\/i>, vol. 128, pp. 3160-3161, 2006. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja058581l\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja058581l<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13618-1\">Stoyanov, E.S.., Hoffmann, S.P.., Juhasz, M.., and Reed, C.A.., \"CCDC 606170: Experimental Crystal Structure Determination\", 2006. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5517\/ccnbrwl\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5517\/ccnbrwl<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13618-2\">H.S. Rzepa, \"C 1 H 4 B 11 Cl 11 O 1\", 2015. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191134\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191134<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13618-3\">H.S. Rzepa, \"C 1 H 7 F 3 O 6 S 1\", 2015. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191129\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191129<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13618-4\">H.S. Rzepa, \"C 1 H 4 B 11 Cl 11 S 1\", 2015. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191135\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191135<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 13618 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My previous posts have covered the ionization by a small number of discrete water molecules of the series of halogen acids, ranging from HI (the strongest,&nbsp;pKa -10) via HF (weaker, pKa 3.1) to the pseudo-halogen HCN (the weakest, pKa 9.2). 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