{"id":21225,"date":"2019-09-03T13:13:58","date_gmt":"2019-09-03T12:13:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=21225"},"modified":"2019-09-03T13:13:58","modified_gmt":"2019-09-03T12:13:58","slug":"cyclo6-and-10carbon-the-kekule-vibrations-compared","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?p=21225","title":{"rendered":"Cyclo[6]  and [10]carbon. The Kekul\u00e9 vibrations compared."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"21225\">\n<p>In the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=21176\">previous post<\/a>, I looked at the so-called\u00a0Kekul\u00e9 vibration of cyclo[18]carbon using various quantum methods and basis sets. \u00a0Because some of these procedures can take a very long time, \u00a0I could not compare them using the same high-quality consistent atom basis set for the carbon (Def2-TZVPP). Here I try to start to do this using the smaller six and ten carbon rings to see what trends might emerge. FAIR data are at DOI:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/data.hpc.imperial.ac.uk\/resolve\/?doi=6069&amp;access=\">10.14469\/hpc\/6069<\/a><\/p>\n<table border=\"1\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Method<\/th>\n<th>C-C bond length<\/th>\n<th>Kekul\u00e9 mode, cm<sup>-1<\/sup><\/th>\n<th>Number of -ve force constants<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\" colspan=\"4\">Cyclo[6]carbon<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>B3LYP+GD3BJ<\/td>\n<td>1.302<\/td>\n<td>1300<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>wB97XD<\/td>\n<td>1.298<\/td>\n<td>1262<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>PBEQIDH<\/td>\n<td>1.302<\/td>\n<td>1332<\/td>\n<td>1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>MP2<\/td>\n<td>1.318<\/td>\n<td>1428<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>MP3<\/td>\n<td>1.303<\/td>\n<td>923<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>MP4(SDQ)<\/td>\n<td>1.308<\/td>\n<td>943<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>CCSD<\/td>\n<td>1.308<\/td>\n<td>1020<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>CCSD(T)<\/td>\n<td>1.320<\/td>\n<td>1189<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\" colspan=\"4\">Cyclo[10]carbon<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>B3LYP+GD3BJ<\/td>\n<td>1.282<\/td>\n<td>1334<\/td>\n<td>1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>wB97XD<\/td>\n<td>1.279<\/td>\n<td>975<\/td>\n<td>1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>PBEQIDH<\/td>\n<td>1.282<\/td>\n<td>1578<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>MP2<\/td>\n<td>1.295<\/td>\n<td>2829<\/td>\n<td>0<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>MP3<\/td>\n<td>1.283<\/td>\n<td>-1946<\/td>\n<td>1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>MP4(SDQ)<\/td>\n<td>1.285<\/td>\n<td>-1003<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>CCSD<\/td>\n<td>1.286<\/td>\n<td>-781<\/td>\n<td>3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>CCSD(T)<\/td>\n<td>1.295<\/td>\n<td>1266<\/td>\n<td>2<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>The conclusions can be summarised as:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>For six carbons, all the methods agree that the Kekul\u00e9 vibration is real (+ve force constant), but there are distinct signs that the MP expansion may \u00a0not be fully converged, with \u00a0MP2 and MP3 differing significantly<\/li>\n<li>For ten carbons, we already see that \u00a0MP3 and MP4 differ from \u00a0MP2 in predicting a -ve force constant.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Multi-configuration calculations are problematic with these species. \u00a0For C<sub>10<\/sub> for example, 20 electrons (10\u00a0\u03c0 and 10 \u03c3) in an active orbital space of 20 is required; a CASSCF(20,20) is beyond the scope of most quantum programs. And there is a need to evaluate the second derivatives of such a wavefunction in order to get the force constant for the required vibration.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So the onset of bond length alternation in these cyclo-carbons could be as early as 10 atoms. But until higher level calculations can be performed in a systematic manner on these rings, the jury should perhaps still remain out as to when bond length alternation starts in terms of ring size.<\/p>\n<!-- kcite active, but no citations found -->\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 21225 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the previous post, I looked at the so-called\u00a0Kekul\u00e9 vibration of cyclo[18]carbon using various quantum methods and basis sets. \u00a0Because some of these procedures can take a very long time, \u00a0I could not compare them using the same high-quality consistent atom basis set for the carbon (Def2-TZVPP). 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