{"id":7822,"date":"2012-09-25T15:34:13","date_gmt":"2012-09-25T14:34:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=7822"},"modified":"2012-09-25T15:34:13","modified_gmt":"2012-09-25T14:34:13","slug":"oxime-formation-from-hydroxylamine-and-ketone-part-2-elimination","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?p=7822","title":{"rendered":"Oxime formation from hydroxylamine and ketone. Part 2: Elimination."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"7822\">\n<p>This is the follow-up to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=7779\" target=\"_blank\">previous post<\/a> exploring a typical nucleophilic addition-elimination reaction. Here is the elimination step, which as before requires proton transfers. We again adopt a cyclic mechanism to try to avoid the build up of charge separation during those proton movements.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"7824\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=7824\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine2.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"hydroxylamine2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine2.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine2.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7824\" title=\"hydroxylamine2\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine2.svg\" width=\"420\" \/><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_7829\" style=\"width: 260px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-7829\" data-attachment-id=\"7829\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=7829\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-8-ring-2.jpg?fit=417%2C352&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"417,352\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"N-2H2O-8-ring-2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Elimination step to form an oxime.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-8-ring-2.jpg?fit=300%2C253&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-8-ring-2.jpg?fit=417%2C352&amp;ssl=1\" class=\" wp-image-7829 \" title=\"N-2H2O-8-ring-2\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([500,500],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-step2-477.596680.log;frame 113;connect (atomno=1) (atomno=2) PARTIAL;measure 1 2;measure 17 20;measure 20 15;measure 14 15;measure 3 14;measure 3 5;measure 5 2;vectors on;vectors 4;vectors scale 5.0; color vectors blue; vibration 20;animation mode loop;');\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-8-ring-2.jpg?resize=250%2C211\" width=\"250\" height=\"211\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-8-ring-2.jpg?w=417&amp;ssl=1 417w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/N-2H2O-8-ring-2.jpg?resize=300%2C253&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-7829\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elimination step to form an oxime. Click for animation of reaction mode.<\/p><\/div>\n<ol>\n<li>Overall, the <a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.96039\" target=\"_blank\">transition state<\/a> for this second stage is 12.1 kcal\/mol higher in free energy than the addition step described previously, and some 30 kcal\/mol starting from the tetrahedral intermediate. Unlike the first step, where neutral water could participate in a reaction with a low barrier, here neutral water does not do the trick. To reduce the barrier, one probably needs to add <em>e.g.<\/em> an acid, say HCl to the components. Knowing precisely where to place such an acid is non trivial &#8211; I will not reveal an answer now, but will reserve it for a future post.<img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"7837\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=7837\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"hydroxylamine_2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7837\" title=\"hydroxylamine_2\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2.svg\" \/><\/li>\n<li>It is worth observing the features (best seen in the gradient norm plot below) in the \u00a0IRC. The small feature at \u00a0IRC -9 \u00a0corresponds to rotation of the \u00a0C-OH group away from an anomeric conformation to prepare it for accepting a proton.<\/li>\n<li>By IRC -2 (<em>i.e.<\/em> before the actual transition state is reached), the first proton transfer is well under way from the C-OH group to the first water molecule. The cleavage of the C-OH bond is also starting.<\/li>\n<li>At the transition state (IRC =0.0), this first transfer is almost complete and the second between the two water molecules is starting. The cleavage of the \u00a0C-OH bond is largely complete.<\/li>\n<li>By IRC +3, \u00a0this second transfer is largely complete and a third from the N-H to the second water is underway.<\/li>\n<li>By IRC +5, the proton transfers are all finished, and the C=N double bond of the oxime is also largely formed.<br \/><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"7838\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=7838\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2g.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"hydroxylamine_2g\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2g.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2g.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-7838\" title=\"hydroxylamine_2g\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/hydroxylamine_2g.svg\" \/><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Well, this particular sequence of events is clearly not the full (or even a partial) answer to the mechanism of the second elimination step for this reaction. We know this because it predicts far too large a barrier. Something is missing from this model, and that something is probably a polarizing group such as HCl. Watch this space.<\/p>\n<!-- kcite active, but no citations found -->\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 7822 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is the follow-up to the previous post exploring a typical nucleophilic addition-elimination reaction. Here is the elimination step, which as before requires proton transfers. We again adopt a cyclic mechanism to try to avoid the build up of charge separation during those proton movements. 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