{"id":8142,"date":"2012-10-29T19:37:06","date_gmt":"2012-10-29T19:37:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=8142"},"modified":"2012-10-29T19:37:06","modified_gmt":"2012-10-29T19:37:06","slug":"secrets-of-a-university-tutor-an-exercise-in-mechanistic-logic-second-denouement","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?p=8142","title":{"rendered":"Secrets of a university tutor. An exercise in mechanistic logic: second d\u00e9nouement."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"8142\">\n<p>Following on from our <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=8085\" target=\"_blank\">first mechanistic reality check<\/a>, we now need to verify how product <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>A<\/strong><\/span> might arise in the mechanism shown below, starting from <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>B<\/strong><\/span>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8157\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8157\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"Triflate4\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8157\" title=\"Triflate4\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4.svg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This <a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.96983\" target=\"_blank\">pathway<\/a> backtracks the original one in reversing the final arrow of that process (shown in <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">red<\/span> in previous post and in <span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">magenta<\/span> here for the arrow in reverse), to go uphill in energy to reach the secondary (unstabilised) carbocation. This turns out to be a very shallow minimum, almost merely a ledge on the mountainside. It is not difficult to see how the original pathway down to B&#8217; might have missed this Y-fork (= bifurcation).<\/p>\n<table class=\"aligncenter\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div id=\"attachment_8153\" style=\"width: 179px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8153\" data-attachment-id=\"8153\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8153\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-cp1.jpg?fit=281%2C360&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"281,360\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"triflate-cp\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;Transition state for cyclopropyl ring opening. Click  for  3D.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-cp1.jpg?fit=234%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-cp1.jpg?fit=281%2C360&amp;ssl=1\" class=\" wp-image-8153 \" title=\"triflate-cp\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([500,500],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate-cp-1273.621697.log;frame 15;connect (atomno=2) (atomno=4) PARTIAL;measure 4 2;vectors on;vectors 4;vectors scale 5.0; color vectors blue; vibration 20;animation mode loop;');\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-cp1.jpg?resize=169%2C216\" alt=\"\" width=\"169\" height=\"216\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-cp1.jpg?w=281&amp;ssl=1 281w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-cp1.jpg?resize=234%2C300&amp;ssl=1 234w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 169px) 100vw, 169px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-8153\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Transition state for cyclopropyl ring opening. Click for 3D.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8160\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8160\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4e.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"Triflate4e\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4e.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4e.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8160\" title=\"Triflate4e\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate4e.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"230\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8161\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8161\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate3.gif?fit=247%2C349&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"247,349\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"triflate3\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate3.gif?fit=212%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate3.gif?fit=247%2C349&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8161\" title=\"triflate3\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate3.gif?resize=247%2C349\" alt=\"\" width=\"247\" height=\"349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate3.gif?w=247&amp;ssl=1 247w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate3.gif?resize=212%2C300&amp;ssl=1 212w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 247px) 100vw, 247px\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>This unstable carbocation does not hang around; the barrier to transfer of a hydrogen (orange arrows) is tiny. This <a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.96981\" target=\"_blank\">motion completes<\/a> the formation of the product <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>A<\/strong><\/span>.<\/p>\n<table class=\"aligncenter\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8147\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8147\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-12.jpg?fit=336%2C272&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"336,272\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"triflate-12\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"&lt;p&gt;1,2-hydrogen migration. Click for  3D.&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-12.jpg?fit=300%2C242&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-12.jpg?fit=336%2C272&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-full wp-image-8147\" title=\"triflate-12\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([500,500],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate-12-1273.624062.log;frame 29;connect (atomno=3) (atomno=20) PARTIAL;connect (atomno=4) (atomno=20) PARTIAL;measure 3 20;measure 4 20;vectors on;vectors 4;vectors scale 5.0; color vectors blue; vibration 20;animation mode loop;');\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-12.jpg?w=200\" alt=\"\"  srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-12.jpg?w=336&amp;ssl=1 336w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate-12.jpg?resize=300%2C242&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 336px) 100vw, 336px\" \/><\/td>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8164\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8164\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate5.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"Triflate5\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate5.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate5.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8164\" title=\"Triflate5\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate5.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8167\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8167\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate2.gif?fit=267%2C317&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"267,317\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"triflate2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate2.gif?fit=252%2C300&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate2.gif?fit=267%2C317&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8167\" title=\"triflate2\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate2.gif?resize=267%2C317\" alt=\"\" width=\"267\" height=\"317\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate2.gif?w=267&amp;ssl=1 267w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/triflate2.gif?resize=252%2C300&amp;ssl=1 252w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 267px) 100vw, 267px\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>We have seen here a classical analysis of mechanism in terms of an energy profile that has a separate pathway and associated transition state for each product in a reaction. But one should note that there are increasing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=7495\" target=\"_blank\">claims for reactions<\/a> whose outcome is determined not by an explicit transition state for each reaction pathway, but where the very dynamics of the system as it exits from a single transition state can result in a bifurcation into two (or indeed more) final products. I would like to suggest that the reaction described here might also be such an example. Thus although the mechanism as shown below shows just the single product B, it might be that only a small diversion from that initial pathway would also result in formation of A, and that there would be no need for the explicit transition states to this species as shown above to be actually visited.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"8108\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/?attachment_id=8108\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate2.svg\" data-orig-size=\"\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"[]\" data-image-title=\"Triflate2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate2.svg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.rzepa.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate2.svg\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8108\" title=\"Triflate2\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Triflate2.svg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It would finish by noting that all the mechanisms above were studied with inclusion of the triflate counter-ion; indeed the first step could not really be studied without it. The system seems a good candidate for a thorough molecular dynamics exploration; \u00a0I have certainly come a long way from an introductory tutorial in organic chemistry!<\/p>\n<!-- kcite active, but no citations found -->\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 8142 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Following on from our first mechanistic reality check, we now need to verify how product A might arise in the mechanism shown below, starting from B. 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